harlow jundy, john layson. ed mertz. dave vajdic, marielle. rick wilson. chris rixner, perry montgomery. gilbert john wilson jr,
they like things the way they are. a dirty mess.
no amount of talking explaining, reasoning. logic yelling screaming punishment. fines, whippings. spankings, beatings. abandonment , isolation. laws enforced by government made them change their ways
they remain the same
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